Tuesday, October 12, 2010

Maybe Packer's talk was inspired after all

Yup. I just said that; however, I’m guessing that my reasons for thinking it was inspired are a little bit different than the reasons why many others thought it was inspired. For a while now, I’ve had this idea simmering in the back of my mind. I believe that God (or whoever/whatever you believe is in charge, assuming you believe something is in charge) uses all we are to carry out a divine plan, including our strengths, weaknesses, short-sightedness, prejudice. I believe he actually relies on everything we are to carry out that plan, including the strengths and weaknesses of those who lead the church.

I don’t want to attempt to dissect how much of Packer’s talk was pure inspiration from God, versus the result of his limitations as an imperfect mortal. To me, that’s what personal revelation is for. Elder Oaks once said, “I only teach the general rules. Whether an exception applies to you is your responsibility. You must work that out individually between you and the Lord.” What is more important to me now than the content of Packer’s talk is what the talk has sparked. Sure, it has sparked a lot of unproductive, condescending discussion coming from all sides, but I think it has also sparked a lot of thoughtful and productive conversations as well.

I know that in the past week, I had very productive conversations with my mom and my oldest sister. I feel like I was able to be more up front and honest and articulate about how I feel about the church’s approach to homosexuality and they’ve sought to understand where I’m coming from and I’ve done the same with them. I’ve also had friends reach out to me who aren’t totally comfortable taking everything Packer said without any kind of question or discussion, and want to have a well thought out and considerate response when people who aren’t Mormon ask what their thoughts are on the issue. They realize that if they just simply restate what Packer said, they are going to sound ridiculous.

I also observed a very civil and productive conversation that resulted when my uncle Mike posted something on Facebook. Mike is in the process of becoming a therapist and the discussion is between him and a couple of colleagues. They discuss reparative therapy and what the role of the therapist should be. They don’t all agree on everything, but the conversation is thoughtful and productive. I got permission from all involved in the conversation string to post a link to it here, because I think it is something worth reading. A lot of really great questions and ideas are explored. Below is what I contributed to the exchange:

This has been a fantastic conversation. I wish all discussions on the subject could be so respectful, open and as a result, more productive.

I am one who grew up in the LDS church and am also gay (and full disclosure: Mike is my uncle). For several years (close to a decade) I went the route of reparative therapy. I didn't really consider any other way as an option because of my religious beliefs. I firmly believed that I could and needed to change. After several years of attempting that route, and through a series of experiences, I realized a couple of things.

My attraction to men had not gone away and even though I enjoyed many close relationships with amazing women, I was developing absolutely no desire for it to be anything other than platonic. I tried to cross over into romantic relationships with a few women and it ended up being damaging to both of our psyches in each relationship.

Around this time, (a few years ago) I started seeing a therapist who helped me explore what I believed and why and what I wanted and why. This exploration helped me tease out what would be a viable approach for me. I began to realize that not only do I have agency to choose, but I also have agency to make meaning. I can decide for myself what it means for me to be gay and Mormon.

Currently that means that I'm pretty open about my sexuality and also currently active at church. Marrying a woman is off the table for me. I'm not in a relationship with a man, but I'm open to it. I don't seek it out. I just participate in things that interest me and if it happens, it happens. I have a group of other gay Mormon friends. Some of whom are active LDS, some who have left. One is currently married to a woman with two kids and one has a boyfriend. Before, l wouldn’t have associated with them because I believed it would undermine my end goal of becoming straight.

Since taking on this new approach, I've felt a resonance and rhythm flow into my adult life that I've never before experienced. To me, a good therapist is one who not only doesn't push his or her own agenda and presents different options, but also empowers the client to know that he or she doesn't necessarily need to rely on currently existing, well-trodden paths, but has the power within to make meaning and to make paths for themselves
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I’m not saying that Packer’s talk was fantastic and I fully embrace it now as being the mind and will of God. (Or I suppose that it isn't. I wouldn't assume that I know what's going on in God's head.) I’m just saying God works in mysterious ways. I know in my own life he’s worked in ways much more mysterious than I ever would have thought possible.

13 comments:

  1. Fantastic post!

    Very interesting conversation...

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  2. and this is why i love you jon jon!

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  3. You are a much better person than I. Thanks for the reminder of how to look for the positive in things like this.

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  4. I blogged this earlier, but it fits what I'm trying to say. I liked what you wrote.

    Ever since this whole thing has erupted I've been pondering 1 Nephi 16. I think this is a really good example of that. Yes, President Packer could have been more sensitive to the feelings of those who struggle with this and whose feeling are close to the surface. These are hard things to listen hear. But this is no different then Nephi's brothers who: "Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear." (V.1) I agree. But I also agree with Nephi's response. "And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken hard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center." Notice that he did say "and the rightous I did justify?" That means those who may struggle with things but seek to stay faithful. Nephi didn't say these things out of hatred or intolernce. He said these things out of love, I truly feel in my heart that Pres Packer also feels this great love and urgency that we follow the Lord and am "willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might walk uprightly before God" we will be blessed. Pres Packer has a solemn responsibility to warn us and somethings what he warns us against may be things we have issues with.

    When I'm faced with a situation where I may feel offended I sometimes worry when I find something that I personally feel is out of line with what I may feel is right and its because it offends me even if it does line up with what is doctrinal, it's just not presented in a comfortable way. Honestly I guess in some ways its better to be offended now then not to be warned because the consequences could be far worse then the discomfort I feel at the moment.

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  5. You always say things that make so much sense to me. I dub you "hero of the day"! Congrats!

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  6. Jon we love you and offer our support to you. Your post is very insightful and made me stop and think. If you ever need anything you know the Bernhisel's, on this earth and beyond, are here to give you our love.

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  7. I had this "maybe they're used in unexpected ways" revelation a few years ago, myself. It's a game-changer of sorts. Of course, I've also considered that it makes even more sense that they're not really directed by God to begin with but are good men dispensing wisdom based on solid principles but muddied with convoluted stories built on top of those principles. Ha, but I'm the apostate, so watch yourself!

    As for therapy, you didn't mention anything about healthy relationships with men. Did you do it right? :-)

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  8. Are you talking Evergreen healthy relationships with men? With mentors who teach me how to be a man?

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  9. Eh...that's how it typically ends up working in reality, but theoretically, aren't you supposed to develop healthy relationships with straight men? I mean, don't the reparatives insist it's not relationships with women that are the core cause? I'm just wondering if you had enough "bonding" with healthy straight men. Did you have your father hold you? Or a stand-in for your father? One who might be another gay man who gets erect, but that's only natural and will go away if you do enough holding to desexualize it. Of course, straight dudes will eventually stop finding being held by buxom women arousing if they do it enough, won't they? Oh, goodness, this is so a blog post for later. ...as if I haven't started one along these lines a couple of times...

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  10. Actually, one of the years that I attended the Evergreen conference the keynote guy was really big on holding. He made us hold each other in one of the sessions. My dad came with me that year. It was fairly traumatic.

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  11. Hahaha AHAHAH hold your dear papa. only 1 of my friends/family even cared to ask about the packer talk...

    but i'm getting bullcrap from BYU choosing to be in 5 college football conferences.

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  12. Jon, President Packer's talk certainly sparked a few conversations in our home. Thanks for being willing to share your thoughts. We still have a lot of questions, but we do know one thing for sure. We would all be better off if we were a little more compassionate and a little slower to judge.

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