Wednesday, October 21, 2009

Marinating vs. Stewing

This post is kind of a follow up to Help, I feel bad, in which I talked about the importance of letting yourself feel things instead of trying to avoid emotions. I talked a little bit about this idea in Just let it sit and marinate. That post, however, was more about letting myself feel something good, but the same thing applies to negative feelings and emotions too (or feelings and emotions that are traditionally seen as bad or negative anyway). Whatever it is we’re feeling, we need to let ourselves sit and marinate in it. Sorry for the germaphobes who are disgusted by the imagery of sitting in a vat of marinade with raw meat.

There are two ideas I want to explore. The first is the title of the post. I think it’s possible to sit too long in our emotions and for it to turn into a gross and stagnant stew. Beef and barley, probably. I also don’t think that it’s just the length of time that determines whether it’s a marinade or a stew. I think how we go about exploring what we’re feeling and what we do with it can determine whether it’s a marinade or a stew.

I’m having a difficult time though, pinpointing what the difference is in more concrete, tangible terms. I can sense the difference though. Marinating allows me to feel it but it also ends up moving me to a better place. Stewing is stagnant and holds me back. And it smells like beef and barley. Gross. Another thought I had was that maybe what I would consider marinating would be considered stewing by others and vice versa.

I want to know if anyone else has thoughts on this. What’s the difference between marinating and stewing for you? How would you explain it? Would you use food to explain? Would you put the cooked meat back in the same dish it was marinating in? If so, I don’t want to know what you have to say anymore and please don’t ever invite me over for dinner.

The other topic is what our role is if we are not the one currently marinating in something difficult but if it is someone we care about who is marinating. For this I will quote Henri Nouwen, a Dutch Catholic priest. Read all about him at the Wikipedia link. He’s pretty amazing.

“When we honestly ask ourselves which person in our lives means the most to us, we often find that it is those who, instead of giving advice, solutions, or cures, have chosen rather to share our pain and touch our wounds with a warm and tender hand. The friend who can be silent with us in a moment of despair or confusion, who can stay with us in an hour of grief or bereavement, who can tolerate not knowing, not curing, not healing and face with us the reality of our powerlessness, that is a friend who cares.”

“Let us not underestimate how hard it is to be compassionate. Compassion is hard because it requires the inner disposition to go with others to the place where they are weak, vulnerable, lonely, and broken. But this is not our spontaneous response to suffering. What we desire most is to do away with suffering by fleeing from it or finding a quick cure for it. As busy, active, relevant ministers, we want to earn our bread by making a real contribution. This means first and foremost doing something to show that our presence makes a difference. And so we ignore our greatest gift, which is our ability to enter into solidarity with those who suffer. Those who can sit in silence with their fellowman, not knowing what to say but knowing that they should be there, can bring new life in a dying heart. Those who are not afraid to hold a hand in gratitude, to shed tears in grief and to let a sigh of distress arise straight from the heart can break through paralyzing boundaries and witness the birth of a new fellowship, the fellowship of the broken.”

14 comments:

  1. Jon,

    I am not a cook so I'm not qualified to comment too much on the differences between stewing and marinating. But I think the metaphor is very apt for the phenomenon you are seeking to describe and understand.

    Trying to identify the key differences between stewing and marinating reminded me of an excellent article I just read by another woman hero of mine in the Church, M. Catherine Thomas (a retired religion professor from BYU). The article is entitled "Zion and the Spirit of At-one-ment" and is all about how mortality is designed to teach us about the differences between positive and negative energy.

    Something she said in the talk reminded me of the concept of unwholesome stewing that is "indulged in for too long":

    Of course, we all feel negative emotions sometimes, and occasionally they need to be expressed. But even when these negative energy emotions are fully justified, they can constitute a spiritual burden for us and those around us if they are indulged in too long. Our bad temper and bad moods can become a form of abuse for us and for those around us. Perhaps we have not fully processed the idea that peace is a vital state for the spirit to flourish in. We may not have realized the spiritual value of inner peace. The Lord, however, seems to value it highly and often invites us to live in peace.

    Maybe the Lord is inviting us out of our individual toxic stews and into a constant state of sweet marinating that results in an ultimate feeling of peace.

    I may be stretching the metaphor too much, but for me it really boils down to the ultimate result. Stewing results in negative, toxic energy that breaks things down and ultimately destroys.

    Marinating, on the other hand, produces tenderness (sometimes even sweetness) and partakes of a positive and constructive energy that still holds things together.

    I'd recommend Catherine's talk in its entirety as it looks at positive and negative energy in a way I've never heard it discussed in a gospel context before. She has taught me how conscious and deliberate I should be about the kind of spiritual energy I'm producing at every moment of the day.

    I believe the stewing versus marinating concept is all about positive and negative energy--and the ultimate result of what each creates.

    Here's a link to her talk if you're interested in reading the whole thing:

    http://mi.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=35

    Also, having met Catherine, I can testify that she practices what she preaches. She is one of the most holy women I've ever met who exudes a kind of sweet lightness of being. She's been marinating in sweet peace for a long time and appears to no longer know much of toxic stews. She's definitely worthy of a quick read in my opinion.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Oh, and I wanted to just briefly comment on your Henri Nouwen quote which I absolutely loved. The idea of "entering into solidarity with those who suffer" is so beautiful to me.

    It reminded me of a quote by LDS psychologist, Wendy Ulrich, from a talk she gave to a group of LDS counselors at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building a few years ago:

    "On my healing journey, how grateful I am for people who willingly know of my pain, my anger, my sorrow, my grief. Personally, I cannot do strenuous and challenging tasks for long without people around me who will accept, and even cherish, the wounded and needy children who still live in my heart. If I want to be strong, I must find people with whom I can be weak as I need to be."

    The idea that if I want to do "strong things" I must find people "with whom I can be as weak as I need to be" has stayed with me ever since I first heard it and it rang so deeply true to me. I am most grateful for my friends who allow me to be as weak as I need to be.

    ReplyDelete
  3. See, Anonymous, you clearly have stuff you could blog about. Thanks for your thoughts and the article recommendation, I'll have to check it out tonight.

    ReplyDelete
  4. Just for arguments sake, I don't believe that stewing and marinating are inter-changeable terms. Here's how I would define them:

    Marinating ~ Preparing ahead of time (or a long preparation) by allowing the food to absorb flavor.
    Absorption seems to be the stage of studying or in LDS terms, pondering. The flavor (for lack of a better word off the top of my head) could be anything from advice others have given us or something we've read or heard. At a quick glance I see marinating as more of a positive happening, probably because I have always believed that pondering is positive. Only good things come from preparation, no matter if you are preparing to face something that is going to be positive or negative.

    What distinguishes the actual term “marinate” that is relative to food and the term “marinate” relative to life is that with food there's probably a limit to how much food can marinate before it becomes saturated and breaks apart or even becomes infected with bacteria. There are no limits to “marinating” in life situations…well, actually maybe you could marinate too long to where it would be unhealthy…I definitely could argue a few cases in favor of me and others marinating too long so I am going to have to retract that statement, and instead of erasing it I am going to leave that it there, because I think it is important to note.

    Maybe this is a distinction; when we marinate we become stronger and our knowledge/strength/experience/support (flavor) is now available to use for others. The more we prepare the more available we are to others that face similar trials later…aka the more delicious we are to those around us.

    Stewing ~ Cooking for a long time in an enclose container.

    Obviously the beef and barely smell are an instant negative. Whether there is a nasty stench or not, I think stewing is bad. It’s worthy to note that the cooking began in the first place because some outside source turned up the heat. Basically I think if people ever stew it is because they have already found themselves in a predicament. And it is obvious that the longer they stay in the container, the more they cook. In turn, the longer we dwell on the negative or stresses that’s been presented to us, the more we cook and the easier we come apart.

    Overall, marinating and stewing both reach to the core of their target. In my head I don’t really think you can over marinate/prepare… you said, “[m]arinating allows me to feel it but it also ends up moving me to a better place. Stewing is stagnant and holds me back.” I think this is spot on. Marinating allows the outside world/flavor/support/whatever deep in so not only can we provide that strength to ourselves to overcome a trial, but it also runs deep so that the strength is there later so we can be that support for others. Stewing is dangerous…and if we sit cooking without letting off steam (pun!) we overcook…which eventually leads to relationships that are torn apart, mentally we become worn, physically we become exhausted, and socially we become closed off from those that are trying to help most. I think stewing happens by simply not talking things out where marinating gives us a chance to think about things and talk about them with others…which terms are definitely not inter-changeable.

    I’ll stop rambling nonsense…its making me hungry. And seriously world, quit putting cabbage in stew, its nasty.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Jon, you planted the idea of a blog in my mind awhile back and I'm letting the idea marinate. You will be the first to know if/when it springs up.

    Paul, you did a nice job laying out the differences between stewing and marinating. Good work.

    And, Jon, I'd be curious to know your thoughts on Catherine's talk if you get a chance to read it. She's an unusually thoughtful and lyrical gospel writer who has a very interesting back story. An adult convert to the Church, she came from a troubled family with an alcoholic father and writes with unusual insight about emotional issues and healing. She's a first class gospel scholar to boot. If you like the article I mentioned, you'd probably love some of her other stuff. I can't say enough good about her.

    ReplyDelete
  6. No cooking analogies, just an example...

    I think this somewhat relates to some rather intense conversations I've been having lately with one of my 7th graders, dealing with racism. He's told me some pretty awful things other kids have said to him and other Mexican kids. And because I strongly agree with your Henri Nouwen quotes, I've spent a lot of time listening. You can tell he's used to having to defend his emotions, when he tells me, "But it makes me mad! Imagine it was you! You'd be upset too!" And I continue telling him, "You're absolutely right, I agree with you! It's ok to be upset. You SHOULD be mad! What those kids said is awful, and it makes me mad too!" And it really does. I see this kid hurting, and I can't help hurting right along with him.

    Stewing--Right now, this kid tends to stew in his anger. He deals with it by punching the person who made him mad, and getting into fights. We've had some good conversation the last couple days about how unproductive that is. At the end of the day, nobody even knows/remembers the awful, racist comments that were made. All anybody else knows is "Those Mexican kids were fighting again." The cycle continues.

    Marinating--I VERY much want to help this kid start making some better choices. I don't want him to suppress his anger and pretend everything's peachy. I want to help him recognize that his feelings are valid, and his thoughts are spot-on, and direct it all into something positive. Find ways he can be an agent for change. The world NEEDS people who recognize that racism didn't die in the 60s, and are willing to speak up and say the things other people are afraid to say. The world NEEDS people to help us change our personal and societal prejudices and mindsets.

    At the end of the day, I want him to be empowered by his experiences (marinated), not destroyed by them (stewing).

    ReplyDelete
  7. mmm, marination nation. Will somebody make me a shirt that says that on the front. The back will have people holding hands or maybe sitting with their chins in their hands or best of all, holding each other's chins in their hands.

    Bottom line for me:

    Is the time spent helping me become what I need to become (aka bad to good, good to better) even though it may be scary or ugly for a bit?

    Is it teaching me and empowering me in the most effective way to do what I need to do or not do?

    Also, ref. to Paul's beautiful insights, I believe we can overmarinate if the pondering isn't leading to action. Stephen Covey in 7 Habits (I avoided that book for so long-- so prideful.) talks about how PxPC= success (or something like that).

    production x (or plus) production capability= success. Production being the end short or long-term output. Production capability being our skills/attributes/learning/abilities to achieve/create desired outcome.

    To achieve our potential/help other's achieve theirs (success), we need to attend to both. Being present, learning from emotions, etc. are tools and part of the journey but we need to be careful that they don't become the end in themselves. Otherwise we spend our lives staring at our navels or being guided by "do whatever feels right" which is emotional reasoning and which can lead to anarchy, co-dependency, and moral decay as far as it devalues the power of choice and action, which in themselves can actually change emotion. It is important to recognize and seek truth/reality but more because of what the truth does in/through/for us. I love to spend time studying, reflecting, breathing, listening, but at the end of the day or week or year, i must be a doer of the word, not just a hearer. We need to be ever learning but coming to a knowledge of the truth at the same time, which comes by action and experience. The signs will be different for different people. For me, when I start to re-evaluate the past after I've made peace or to get lost in thought for the umpteenth time and miss the oppportunity to do something with the thought, I know I've overmarinated. Lately, I've been overmarinating on facebook. Ouch. Then it's about finding a balance of reaching out and getting out and on with it all.

    When we see others stewing or marinating, we need the courage to sit with them. We also need the courage to call them out when we notice what the outcome of the stewing/marinating may be. "Excuse me. This smells like beef and barley. Overcooked. Does it smell like beef and barley overcooked to you? Shall we have a look-see together?"

    ReplyDelete
  8. Anonymous, I read the article and I thought it was really great. It's a great discussion of positive and negative energy. I think also a really great discussion of how to have healthy relationships, whether with family or friends or whomever. She also quoted Terry Warner, who is a favorite of mine.

    Paul, have you really had stew with cabbage? Must have been in the Philippines (sp?)

    Kristine, those kids are fortunate to have you as a teacher.

    Duque, talk to Andrew, he will totally make you a marination nation T-shirt.

    ReplyDelete
  9. dear jon

    i really did follow through this time and blog a response.

    its funny because i've been thinking about this all week, except in a much more complicated analogy that didnt make as much sense. thanks for simplifying!

    ReplyDelete
  10. Tonight's conversation...

    Kristen: I need a husband that will just agree with me when I'm mad, and tell me I'm right.

    Beth: My husband can tell me I'm wrong, but not until after I have some time to be mad. First, he has to let me...

    Ariel and I in unison: Marinate!! :)

    ReplyDelete
  11. ps, this seemed appriopraite too, and kristine posted the conversation before i could :)

    Dream Deferred
    by Langston Hughes

    What happens to a dream deferred?
    Does it dry up
    Like a raisin in the sun?
    Or fester like a sore--
    And then run?
    Does it stink like rotten meat?
    Or crust and sugar over--
    like a syrupy sweet?
    Maybe it just sags
    like a heavy load.
    Or does it just explode?

    ReplyDelete
  12. Ariel/Kristine, did you all then jump into a vat of teriyaki marinade? I just read and commented on your post, Ariel. Nicely done.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Ok, here's my epiphany.

    Commitments.

    That's the difference and the measuring stick.

    (In the Mormon world, the most important commitments being covenants). Commitments & covenants are the checkpoint and safety net for emotional processing/regulation. I can check my attitude towards them and then I can check how I'm actually following through and doing with them-- that's difference between stewing & marinating. Part of the beauty of covenants is they encompass the emotional, spiritual, and the physical. They help us feel and think, do and be, be still and act. If we were just here on earth to be and exist, we wouldn't need commitments/covenants. But if we're here to become, then commitments/covenants are the most important gift and tool we have. So the time spent just feeling and accepting an emotion can be seen as helpful and healthy and positive in the way that they help us view and live the important commitments, our desire and ability and actions in living our covenants as a result. The end.

    ReplyDelete
  14. Thanks for your thoughts on Catherine's article, Jon. I agree with them. And she certainly did lift "bonds of anguish, bonds of love," right from Terry Warner. They are friends in real life, and she quotes from him more extensively and explicitly in other of her writings. I really like Terry too, but I'm biting my tongue and absolutely will not utter "points of resonance" one more time on your blog. Oops, I did it again. No more! :)

    I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments about this post. I've thought about the phenomenon more and have a few more insights I may share when I have more time to articulate them better.

    ReplyDelete